Curse

Francis Demeules · May 30, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by Shoitaan

That is keystone signet right?

Yep with Mantra of Inscription to recharge Keystone signet. It has its own utility but ppl dont really use it. (Lack of popularity)

Mystic Memory · May 30, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Wow Thanks Avarre. I tried out the bonder, but I seem to have some trouble. How many bonds do you usually have? I put up 7 bonds and 2 essence bonds. Maybe I should limit enchants to 7? Cause I never have enough energy to cast Shield Guardian/Prot Spirit.

And the funny thing is, I seem to hit Ether Signet, then while Im casting it, I get 1 energy from Essence Bond, and then Ether Signet doesnt work.

And then I lose half of my bonds

EDIT: In your pic, looks like you have just casted Balth Spirit, Life Bond, Shield Guardian, AND Prot Spirit... How does your energy keep up!??!

Also, why bring Rebirth? Wouldnt that screw up all of your bonds?

Pi_Numurian · May 30, 2006, 10:32 PM // 22:32

nice I love mes

Woot me

Pi_Numurian · May 30, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

I wonder that looked hard, but was it as hard as Urgoz Warren

Theos · May 30, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Mystic Memory

Wow Thanks Avarre. I tried out the bonder, but I seem to have some trouble. How many bonds do you usually have? I put up 7 bonds and 2 essence bonds. Maybe I should limit enchants to 7? Cause I never have enough energy to cast Shield Guardian/Prot Spirit.

And the funny thing is, I seem to hit Ether Signet, then while Im casting it, I get 1 energy from Essence Bond, and then Ether Signet doesnt work.

And then I lose half of my bonds

EDIT: In your pic, looks like you have just casted Balth Spirit, Life Bond, Shield Guardian, AND Prot Spirit... How does your energy keep up!??!

Also, why bring Rebirth? Wouldnt that screw up all of your bonds?

Rebirth isn't for a midgame res, it is for a "we just got nearly wiped... run for the hills" occurance.

As for Ether Signet, don't use it when you are borderling the energy barrier for it, us it when your at almost 0, or half way below the quota, this way even if the bond kicks in you will be fine and not waste the signet.

Evilsod · May 30, 2006, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Mystic Memory

EDIT: In your pic, looks like you have just casted Balth Spirit, Life Bond, Shield Guardian, AND Prot Spirit... How does your energy keep up!??!

Sounds to me like you've never played a bonder

You use Balthazaars Spirit on yourself, ignore Essence, its useless. Then everytime damage is redirected you gain 1 energy, even if the damage is 0. Out of battles thats obviously no help at all but in battles it gives you plenty.

For a non-monk bonder build, it does seem pretty flawless.

How do you set your points out Avarre? 12 Protection and 16 inspiration w/ left overs to Fast Casting? Since i don't see fast casting been all that useful.

Would it be possible to switch out Rebirth since i can't remember many situations the bonder survives, normally its there death that kills the rest of the team. Not sure what for, maybe Inspired Hex/Enchantment. Possibly even Spirit of Failure (specially if you have anyone in the team with blind, which i'd imagine you would). Would leave you free to spam PS and SG all you like.

Edit, actually i think i just got what you meant in the quote. Its Keystone Signet. Deactivates all non-signet skills for x seconds. They're still recharging.

Mystic Memory · May 31, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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As for Ether Signet, don't use it when you are borderling the energy barrier for it, us it when your at almost 0, or half way below the quota, this way even if the bond kicks in you will be fine and not waste the signet.

Dont know why I didnt think of that... thanks!

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Sounds to me like you've never played a bonder

You use Balthazaars Spirit on yourself, ignore Essence, its useless. Then everytime damage is redirected you gain 1 energy, even if the damage is 0. Out of battles thats obviously no help at all but in battles it gives you plenty.

OMFG THANKS SO MUCH!!! Lawl I know i probably look like a noob now. My excuse is that I never play anything but a mesmer

Wow cant believe I never thought of that... Thanks for enlightening me and bringing me out of my hole of stupidity

Francis Demeules · May 31, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Question: If I go out of The Deep, can I return whenever I want or I must take another run for it?

Theos · May 31, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

Question: If I go out of The Deep, can I return whenever I want or I must take another run for it?

You need to be re-escorted to the Deep; its a psuedo-outpost...

Avarre · May 31, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

Yep with Mantra of Inscription to recharge Keystone signet. It has its own utility but ppl dont really use it. (Lack of popularity)

For the record:

Mantra of recall: 19 net energy / 20 seconds

Keystone+ inscriptions ->Ether: 21 net energy / 15 seconds

Keystone is the most powerful energy management with mesmer skills, statistically. Although you also have to keep up stance, its negligible. Downside it you can only use signet when you're low and if you use it and energy goes up, you lose alot of energy. Also it takes more slots, but allows the use of +enchant mods easily.

I also had a bipper to help out if things got mis-timed

Francis Demeules · May 31, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Bleh for the exit,

Oh well, At least I havent go out for now but I tested for my first time 2-3 minutes ago to see how it was.

TheDeep.jpg

Little bit suicide but I still here

Evilsod · May 31, 2006, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by Avarre

For the record:

Mantra of recall: 19 net energy / 20 seconds

Keystone+ inscriptions ->Ether: 21 net energy / 15 seconds

Keystone is the most powerful energy management with mesmer skills, statistically. Although you also have to keep up stance, its negligible. Downside it you can only use signet when you're low and if you use it and energy goes up, you lose alot of energy. Also it takes more slots, but allows the use of +enchant mods easily.

I also had a bipper to help out if things got mis-timed

Psh, n00b

as for the explanation... i got lost half way

Could you answer the second half of my post though

Avarre · May 31, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Would it be possible to switch out Rebirth since i can't remember many situations the bonder survives, normally its there death that kills the rest of the team. Not sure what for, maybe Inspired Hex/Enchantment. Possibly even Spirit of Failure (specially if you have anyone in the team with blind, which i'd imagine you would). Would leave you free to spam PS and SG all you like.

Inspired hex... there aren't that many hexes in the area and if any do get put on, I want those removed by SHATTER damnit!

Uh... we didn't have that much blind at all. We will if we run a more organized run, using a trapper though. Spirit, especially with +5, could be a good choice... personally I would use powerdrain but there isn't enough to drain in some places

Next run I might switch, as I said, to use Aegis, guardian etc... as bonds are of only minor use... you don't want to bond the guy tanking Kanaxai. Bond damage is before prot, so every hit -> 80~ damage to you. Probably will still try to use keystone simply because it's awesome.

Lady Lozza · May 31, 2006, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Thanks to Factions my lovely mes is now about to cross the 1 million xp barrier, only 350xp to go

If I'm on when you are doing one of these runs I'd love to join you.

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 31, 2006, 03:59 AM // 03:59

Shatter ftw! Do we have a map with all possible spawn rotations on it? Or is it by experience only so far? (Still patiently awaits factions collectors edition in oklahoma...)

Avarre · May 31, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Experience only so far. Though considering the popups etc are always the same place, it's a very easy area to learn.

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 31, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Similar to fow where they are always the same or similar to uw where they are mostly the same with only certain mob variations?

Avarre · May 31, 2006, 04:23 AM // 04:23

From the parts I've seen, on the vast majority the same. Some packs wander around, but I haven't noticed much difference in mob presence etc.

Lady Lozza · May 31, 2006, 04:30 AM // 04:30

In the Deep I've noticed 0 difference in popup spawns or other monster spawns at all. I'm sure you could create a detailed map with moster types and have it be the same every single time you go. There are a couple of "patrol" groups, but they always follow the same path, I can't off the top of my head remember any major mob variations.

Evilsod · May 31, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Inspired hex... there aren't that many hexes in the area and if any do get put on, I want those removed by SHATTER damnit!

Uh... we didn't have that much blind at all. We will if we run a more organized run, using a trapper though. Spirit, especially with +5, could be a good choice... personally I would use powerdrain but there isn't enough to drain in some places

Next run I might switch, as I said, to use Aegis, guardian etc... as bonds are of only minor use... you don't want to bond the guy tanking Kanaxai. Bond damage is before prot, so every hit -> 80~ damage to you. Probably will still try to use keystone simply because it's awesome.

Doh, stupid me, forgot about Shatter Hex! I was expecting you to have a Glimmering Mark mesmer actually. When we did Abaddons that time i was using MoR and Power Drain, of course with the Mursaat Eles around almost every corner there was no lack of things to Drain with ease. You could always use Leech Signet? Since it would also recharge from Keystone you'd be able to use it fairly often for 0 cost, and interrupt the odd skill if you needed for nothing.
Gotta love been a bonder

Kanaxai sound like Abyssal... I'll never forget the ~130 damage i took through a bond because the moronic wammo was wearing LA armour in FoW!

You missed a question, how did you set your stats out?